Posted by: Bob MacAffee on December 16, 2002 at 10:56:39

: Hi Tom, : I read the article. Whereas I don't disagree with the theory, what isn't clear is what kind of oil was used by the player, and whether he really only used a couple of drops or maybe he reallly slathered it on, and also if it was leaking, he would've had to slather it into the fill station, not the fill nipple as the leak would've sprayed the oil out. : I figure, and who the fock knows, I've filled hpa from scuba for over two and a half years, and must've used oil in the fill nipple well over 100 times, without ever once combusting. 0 times in 100 = 0% occurance. : However, I do prescribe to the slow start fill,which means I crack her open slowly. : I don't know what else to think about that article, really, it's scary, and it kinda makes sense, but there are some definite holes in the story which we don't know, including what the fill psi was... : nonetheless, the warning is noted, and should be considered by all of us hpa fillers. : Thanks Dave, To fill in the holes of the story for you, here they are. The player who was refilling had a risidual pressure or approximately 2000 psi on a 68 cu. inch 4500 psi cylinder. He only used 2-3 drops of oil in the fill nipple and did not have much luck at that because the leak was preventing the oil from going down into the fitting. The oil used was KD marker lube, a synthetic based lubricant. As far as your assumptions that you have used it well over 100 times without fail, I cannot disagree. Countless times before the accident I actually suggested to many people to put a couple of drops of oil in the fill nipple, not fully thinking about what could happen. In all that time it only happened once, but once was more than enough for me. And to think about it, it only takes about 5 minutes to take the nipple apart and clean, lube and/or replace the bad o-ring. To me it is well worth it. -Shawn

Follow Ups: thanks shawn for the detailia DaveA 21:09:49 12/16/02 (0) Post a Followup Show your name as: DefaultRealnameBothNickname E-Mail address (eg: joeschmoe@aol.com): Show your e-mail address? DefaultYesNo Your Password: Don't have a password? CLICK HERE - Forgot your password? CLICK HERE Subject: Subject:Message: : : Hi Tom, : : I read the article. Whereas I don't disagree with the theory, what isn't clear is what kind of oil was used by the player, and whether he really only used a couple of drops or maybe he reallly slathered it on, and also if it was leaking, he would've had to slather it into the fill station, not the fill nipple as the leak would've sprayed the oil out. : : I figure, and who the fock knows, I've filled hpa from scuba for over two and a half years, and must've used oil in the fill nipple well over 100 times, without ever once combusting. 0 times in 100 = 0% occurance. : : However, I do prescribe to the slow start fill,which means I crack her open slowly. : : I don't know what else to think about that article, really, it's scary, and it kinda makes sense, but there are some definite holes in the story which we don't know, including what the fill psi was... : : nonetheless, the warning is noted, and should be considered by all of us hpa fillers. : : Thanks : Dave, : To fill in the holes of the story for you, here they are. : The player who was refilling had a risidual pressure or approximately 2000 psi on a 68 cu. inch 4500 psi cylinder. He only used 2-3 drops of oil in the fill nipple and did not have much luck at that because the leak was preventing the oil from going down into the fitting. The oil used was KD marker lube, a synthetic based lubricant. : As far as your assumptions that you have used it well over 100 times without fail, I cannot disagree. Countless times before the accident I actually suggested to many people to put a couple of drops of oil in the fill nipple, not fully thinking about what could happen. In all that time it only happened once, but once was more than enough for me. : And to think about it, it only takes about 5 minutes to take the nipple apart and clean, lube and/or replace the bad o-ring. To me it is well worth it. : -Shawn [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ WARPIG Tech Talk - Air ]