Posted by: Jason "Zippy" Finnie on January 02, 2004 at 15:34:50

: I am in the process of seeing if I need a new gun and done all the basic tech manual and equipment research I care to do right now. I also plan on going to the fields and asking to borrow backup guns to get some hands on feel for differences between guns. But to keep things in perspective when I shoot the $300-550 guns, I have one question to ask all you experts. : Make the assumption that you are using N2 air sources, maintaining your gun per service manual recommendations, timed your gun properly, using good paint and bore match, and playing with stock internals for your gun. : Is it fair to say that in terms of accuracy a WGP Vertical Autococker, Rat Impulse Jr, and Automag RT Pros are all guns that approach the physical limits of what a modern paintball projectile can achieve? In other words, if an Autococker gets a shot cluster of 18" at x range , will the other two get similar results? And will other guns costing hundreds of dollars more see only marginal increases in accuracy? : This is asked with accuracy being the only variable. Ignoring rate of fire, comfort, ease of maintenance, ect. : Thanks in advance! @@@ Good questions, sounds like you've done some homework on this quest. I'll try to be brief. Compressed air or N2, always more consitent than CO2, I never even touch CO2 anymore. Paint to barrel match, very important, also use good quality fresh stuff. My two babies right now are an 02 Autococker and a 95 Automag. Both are stock, with the exception of the Freak kit barrel backs I use with my Freak Kit, and I use Compressed air 68/3000, 850 output pressure Crossfire tanks. 2 different guns, same barrels, same tanks, same paintballs (Marbilizer), and same velocities, (280). I've clamped down and bench fired both guns at a 9 inch pie plate from a distance of 60 feet and found the following. Both guns hit the pie plate dead on. Groupings within 9 inches. However, The Autococker I found had a flatter trajectory. I attribute this to the lower operating pressure of the gun and the fact that it is a closed bolt design. Lower air pressure, higher air volume accelerating the paintball. The Automag put a bit of an arc on the paintball. I attribute this to a higher operating pressure of the gun and the fact that it is a open both design. Higher air pressure, lower air volume on the paintball. Other open bolt designs I have found that slightly arc a paintball are Tippmanns and Spyders. A closed bolt gun I have found to have a flatter trajectory is a Phantom pump gun. Sum it up, in my findings, and humble opinion, with all barrels, paint, velocities, tanks the same, but using different stock guns, they will all pretty much deliver the same performance. Some will shoot faster, some will have a different trajectory on the ball, and obviously some guns have better stock parts than others, but you've asked me to overlook that info. Feel free to email me, (I've tried to be brief yet descriptive) if you have other questions or comments. jason_finnie@hotmail.com

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