Posted by: hipboyscott on August 15, 2003 at 20:15:46

I don't like a few things about the gun. first, the gun seems like a blowforward, like an automag, and the thing's cross section is loaded with what looks like a problem waiting to happen, there are a bunch of o-rings all over, and many parts. I think a smaller, less complex system is needed. then, the paint is loaded side to side like a normal firearm, the pistol's frame would be rather thick. I think that you would do better with front-back staggered paint. then, the CO2 is in the grip, cool. but, I think that the operation of releasing a half-full magazine, to keep CO2 in the gun, might become clubersome to the newb, one would need to get a good feel for what to press to release just the paintbox. then, spring loadng doesn't seem to work unless it functions like the Q-loader by spreading out the pressure to all the paint, I think it doesn't. Then you have the problem that the gun looks kinda plain and there arent any cool external moving parts that move and look cool, and make it fun. I would rather it be something like a .68 caliber Airsoft gun. you'd have a Slide with a valve in it. a hammer would get pushed down from the slide, then the slide moves forward chambering a ball. the hammer swings up hits the 'firing pin' (valve pin) and that opens up the air channel to push paint. then, maybie you have porting that pushes gas into a piston to re-cock, or, you have a miniefied auto-cocker mechanism with a RAM. the gas-blowback would be the best because it'd have a sudden, snapping reload regardless of your trigger pull time. the magazine could use various mechanisms. a ring-link system like the RAM (possibly utilizing .40/.43 paint, maybie even having various barrels for different calibers) but basically, the ring-link system, or you could try a resivour-less version of the ATS guns. (just a little link chain that loops around the bottom.) the whole magazine holds paint, so you could probably hold a good 10-12 rounds. then, to solve the CO2 problem, you can run a remote (have a quick adaptor to transition from main gun to sidearm) or you simply have a quick-release/auto-release CO2 contraption. that is placed in front of the trigger guard where one may put a laser sight on a conventional pistol see, my plan is to have a box that is on a rail. it extends forward a little more than one 12gram length from closed position. a small nub keeps the 12gram from pulling back with the box, and gravity (and whatever remaaining gas left assists) makes the cartridge fall out and, you are free to pop in another one. alternativey, you have the co2s already inside boxes, and you can clip them into a slot on a rail. in any event, you pull the box back until it snaps in place, and the release level on the inside of the trigger guard (opposite the firing trigger) pops back out. then, to pierce the 12gram, one pulls back the gun's slide to cock, and the piercing nipple is forced forward on a lever that pierces the 12gram, and the piercing nipple is locked formward by the containment box. once the slide is released it slams forward and chambers the ball, thus when you pull the trigger the hammer is released, gas pushes the ball, some gets channeled in, pushes back the slide, then the return spring slams the slide back forward I hop I diddn't lose anyone. anyone need further convincing that this would rock? I'm thinking of it being similar in size to a Baretta M-9 (for law-enforcement/military training) and could also look like a .45 a desert Eagle, or any full-framed automatic pistol. then, that same mechanism could be used to construct something of SMG size, like an MP-5, an Uzi, Mac-11, Steyer TMP, anything. but once you get to assault rifle size, ATS and other companies already have sufficient coverage for those areas.

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