Posted by: Dale "Head_Hunters" DuPont on May 05, 2003 at 11:58:40

The mask might be "anti fog" but is a non thermal unless they say "Thermal". It has dinkey small CO2 that you will want to immediately replace with a larger capacity tank. AND you don't want to start with a CO2 tank. It is obsolete compared to Nitrogen. CO2 and high rates of fire that you might be visualizing with an E grip are simply mutually exclusive. DON'T go there with CO2. Don't even think about spending money on expansion chambers and other hardware to 'fix' CO2 problems. The ONLY cure for CO2 problems is Nitrogen. Go there in the first place and avoid wasting money on CO2 tanks and hardware. With Nitro, you don't need to pay extra for a marker, like the TL PLUS, with an expansion chamber on it(which are undersized and worthless anyway). And without all that useless hardware, it is LIGHTER, points and shoot quicker, etc. That kit also has a NON motorized hopper. I'll GIVE you one along with about 200 local guys in your area. No need to pay for one. Save up for a motorized hopper. You can buy a nearly new used one for $5 from just about anybody... You HAVE TO HAVE NITROGEN TO KEEP UP WITH HIGHER RATES OF FIRE. So what do you get for your $204? An E -99 and a bunch of stuff you will want to immedicately replace. Go to: http://www.kingmanusa.com/java/guns/compact_2in1.html If you think you might ever want to upgrade to low pressure, get the one without the bottom line and buy an aftermarket one. The after market ones are compatable with regulator fitting threads and the Kingmans hoses are NOT... http://www.kingmanusa.com/spyder/compact_2000.html These are tried and true spyders. The cheaper ones have a lot of plastic in them but I have no opinion to offer about their durability. You take any of those guns with a $85 preset NITRO BOTTLE and just go play. There is a used one for $65 right here locally. They will shoot about the same amount of paint as a BIG 20 oz CO2 bottle. If you want a e grip, you will still need a Nitro Bottle. : Is the "Spyder E-99" paintball gun a good beginners marker? Good marker for an inexpensive electro grip. So is the Flash. You know you can put a E grip upgrade on those semi markers listed too. Now, rate of fire is NOT the object of the game. It is actually hitting your opponent to tag them. You can't hit much of anything while jerking as fast as you can go on a trigger, Mechanical or Electro. An electro set on a SLOW rate of fire (5-7 rps) will eat up your paint budget. You will shoot 10 rounds to see where you were MISSING and correct you point of aim... I would suggest you keep it one semi mode till you learn how to snap shoot fairly well. Pop out from behind cover, shot 2-3 aimed shots and hit your target, then back to cover. Linger too long and you die.... The other disadvantage of e grips is for some reason, the guys that own them just won't play in the rain, run up the creek, etc for fear of getting it wet. Something about voiding the warrenty..... We scenerio players play rain or shine or snow or mud... Like yesterday. It rained all night and half the morning. They guys with electros stayed in bed and the REAL Hard Core players went out and played with our mechanical markers. Now I mentioned earlier about the E grip upgrade. Now think about it. If it rains, you put the stock grip back on and go play. If your E grip goes down, (and they do) you have to ship it off to Kingman. You could put the stock mechanical grip back on and not have to wait for Kingman to fix your grip to play. You can go to you local paintball store and fix any mechanical marker. So buy the marker of your choice, a nitro preset tank, and you still need a mask. Thermals go for $35-40. Mechanical Spyders can be easily repaired at the field. Tippmans are much for difficult, Many small parts, pins, springs, etc. that are easily lost. Both are very reliable with regular cleaning and lube. However, the Tippmans are more reliable without cleaning and maintainence which is what usually happens since they are more difficult to maintain properly.... All of them are markers that will out shoot your ability to point and aim for a couple of years of playing....

Follow Ups: Re: Avoid the "PACKAGE" Silver.C. 15:50:19 05/06/03 (2) Thanks for making my point.... Dale "Head_Hunters" DuPont 12:04:41 06/09/03 (0) Take a look at some of these posts concerning this Razorpb 16:15:51 05/16/03 (0) Post a Followup Show your name as: DefaultRealnameBothNickname E-Mail address (eg: joeschmoe@aol.com): Show your e-mail address? DefaultYesNo Your Password: Don't have a password? CLICK HERE - Forgot your password? CLICK HERE Subject: Subject:Message: : The mask might be "anti fog" but is a non thermal unless they say "Thermal". It has dinkey small CO2 that you will want to immediately replace with a larger capacity tank. AND you don't want to start with a CO2 tank. It is obsolete compared to Nitrogen. : CO2 and high rates of fire that you might be visualizing with an E grip are simply mutually exclusive. DON'T go there with CO2. Don't even think about spending money on expansion chambers and other hardware to 'fix' CO2 problems. The ONLY cure for CO2 problems is Nitrogen. Go there in the first place and avoid wasting money on CO2 tanks and hardware. With Nitro, you don't need to pay extra for a marker, like the TL PLUS, with an expansion chamber on it(which are undersized and worthless anyway). And without all that useless hardware, it is LIGHTER, points and shoot quicker, etc. : That kit also has a NON motorized hopper. I'll GIVE you one along with about 200 local guys in your area. No need to pay for one. Save up for a motorized hopper. You can buy a nearly new used one for $5 from just about anybody... : You HAVE TO HAVE NITROGEN TO KEEP UP WITH HIGHER RATES OF FIRE. : So what do you get for your $204? An E -99 and a bunch of stuff you will want to immedicately replace. : Go to: : http://www.kingmanusa.com/java/guns/compact_2in1.html : If you think you might ever want to upgrade to low pressure, get the one without the bottom line and buy an aftermarket one. The after market ones are compatable with regulator fitting threads and the Kingmans hoses are NOT... : http://www.kingmanusa.com/spyder/compact_2000.html : These are tried and true spyders. The cheaper ones have a lot of plastic in them but I have no opinion to offer about their durability. : You take any of those guns with a $85 preset NITRO BOTTLE and just go play. There is a used one for $65 right here locally. They will shoot about the same amount of paint as a BIG 20 oz CO2 bottle. : If you want a e grip, you will still need a Nitro Bottle. : : Is the "Spyder E-99" paintball gun a good beginners marker? : Good marker for an inexpensive electro grip. So is the Flash. You know you can put a E grip upgrade on those semi markers listed too. : Now, rate of fire is NOT the object of the game. It is actually hitting your opponent to tag them. : You can't hit much of anything while jerking as fast as you can go on a trigger, Mechanical or Electro. An electro set on a SLOW rate of fire (5-7 rps) will eat up your paint budget. You will shoot 10 rounds to see where you were MISSING and correct you point of aim... : I would suggest you keep it one semi mode till you learn how to snap shoot fairly well. Pop out from behind cover, shot 2-3 aimed shots and hit your target, then back to cover. Linger too long and you die.... : The other disadvantage of e grips is for some reason, the guys that own them just won't play in the rain, run up the creek, etc for fear of getting it wet. Something about voiding the warrenty..... : We scenerio players play rain or shine or snow or mud... Like yesterday. It rained all night and half the morning. They guys with electros stayed in bed and the REAL Hard Core players went out and played with our mechanical markers. : Now I mentioned earlier about the E grip upgrade. : Now think about it. If it rains, you put the stock grip back on and go play. : If your E grip goes down, (and they do) you have to ship it off to Kingman. You could put the stock mechanical grip back on and not have to wait for Kingman to fix your grip to play. : You can go to you local paintball store and fix any mechanical marker. : So buy the marker of your choice, a nitro preset tank, and you still need a mask. Thermals go for $35-40. : Mechanical Spyders can be easily repaired at the field. Tippmans are much for difficult, Many small parts, pins, springs, etc. that are easily lost. Both are very reliable with regular cleaning and lube. : However, the Tippmans are more reliable without cleaning and maintainence which is what usually happens since they are more difficult to maintain properly.... : All of them are markers that will out shoot your ability to point and aim for a couple of years of playing.... [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ WARPIG Tech Talk - Spyder ]