Posted by: Justin "Snow_God" Allen on May 08, 2003 at 22:04:33

Did the product information TELL you the increased risk of injury over soft bindings that are designed come off when you fall down? Soft boots DONT come off in a fall. Your firmly fastened to the board on any kind of equipment. And that beginning boarders shouldn't use equipment designed for racing professionals that are in top physical condition and have trained for years NOT to take falls when boarding? 1: I am definitly not a beginning snowboarder. I have 8 seasons of training on snowboards, and another 3 on skis. I am by no means a beginner. 2: If I were old enough and the makers of my equipment had money, I would be sponsored. I was 26th in my age division in NASTAR (National Standardized Racing) until I broke my leg moving up to 16th. So me = Racing Upper Level Sue their ass. Don't forget to name the store that sold you the items that convinced you that particular board was the best board for you to have. They will tell you anything to make a sale. 1: Why sue? All that would do is setback the alpine division of snowboaring even more. Bad thing. 2: My board was custom built for me by the same man that builds boards for the Austrian Giant Slalom team. He dosent use middle men at all. 3: My board IS the best board for me. 4: My boots ARE the best for me (5 olympic medals and pushing me up to the top of my age division seems reputable. 5. My bindings: Same thing. 4 world cups and the boots of Mark Fawcett. I spent 30 years as a therapist and have seen the consequences of many sports injuries caused by their "marketing plan" to promote that their product must be 'better' because professionals use it. Coiler Dosent advertise. He dosent need to. If you want the equipment, you know where to go. You don't buy a 175 mph Corvette for a 16 year old as a reward for passing his drivers test.. Unless, you have a $7 million Medical Insurance policy cap that includes Nursing Home coverage AND a $10 million life insurance policy, and really hate the little marshmallow! This wasnt a reward for anything, Im moving up in skill, and this board was the next step. My parents and relatives say "hey, its something he's good at, might as well support it". My kids were lucky to get bicycles, roller blades, skateboards, paintball, or be allowed to play ANY organized sports. Mom was a therapist too. But we spent LOTS of money on high quality safety gear and protection, LOTS of money on insurance, LOTS of education about what happens to the human body when things go wrong, Dragged them to work to SEE some busted up people that didn't wear seatbelts, and provided a LOT of supervision. I wear a helmet, and actually, when I fell I micro-fractured the shell, so guess what, Im getting a new one. I dont just wear a bike helmet either. These are $150 60mph-0mph on ice tested. They pass. Then we just let them be KIDS and crossed our fingers. So far so good. My youngest was riding in a car that went airbourne for 40 feet when it stopped suddenly 6 foot above the ground against a 30 inch oak tree. It bounced off the tree and finnally came back to earth 15 feet away from the tree. They were both wearing seat belts and both airbags deployed properly. My boy walked away with stitches and whiplash. His buddy wasn't so lucky. Broke a wrist and an ankle that required some surgery, pins, and a lot of therapy. He didn't bother to fill out the forms to enroll in the Medical Insurance available at his job and had no medical insurance as a result. Medicaid is trying to convince his parents that they have to pay the bill even though he was 21 at the time. Finnally got it worked out but he wasn't getting the therapy WHEN he needed it. We did it for free until Medicaid kicked in. Im sorry to hear about your son, but it seems that speed and/or alcohol or maybe drugs may have been involved. Not saying anything about your son, but possibly his friend. Thank god for seatbelts and airbags. Therapy is actually pretty fun! Im loving it. Cant wait to walk without the boot again. Im just learing to drive now, thats fun too. Cast off june 2. Sorry you had to learn that lesson the hard way. What lesson? It happens to everyone. Just a tiny mistake in tecnique will throw you off at race speed. What happened was I started thinking about what I was doing. Bad idea. All us males have to get over the idea that we are invincible. I used to have a diploma that I could print out from the College of Hard Knocks. Interested? I've got two bum knees and rotator cuff problems in my right shoulder from driving over the top of a Buick on a motorcycle about 35 years ago. Fortunately, after 3 sommersaults in mid air, I landed on my hard head and shoulder. I had a helmet on with the chin strap buckled. Without the chin strap buckled I would have lost the helmet before I landed. I wouldn't be writing anything here if my skull looked like that helmet. Ouch, that musta hurt. A spectator at the race said that I looked like a big snowball, then I started yelling. Good luck and get well. Thanks. If your looking for something to help your knees, check out www.reliableracing.com and look for MacDavid (sp) Skiier's knee straps. Theyre tubular straps that you put around your patellar tendon, and put a bit of pressure on it, it feels really good. Sorry, but after reading what you wrote, I was a little offended with y ou calling me a beginner and all, but you didnt know. Beginners arent the only ones that fall you know. They just complain when they get hurt more. They also get hurt more often, but us upper level racers dont fall alot, but when we do, we do a GOOD job. I wish I hd my x-rays from the reigonal hospital at the ski area to put up online. NASTY NASTY pictures. If my boots hadn;t been so racey and tight fitting It would have been a compound. Good luck with the knees. The snowgod

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Your firmly fastened to the board on any kind of equipment. : And that beginning boarders shouldn't use equipment designed for racing professionals that are in top physical condition and have trained for years NOT to take falls when boarding? : 1: I am definitly not a beginning snowboarder. I have 8 seasons of training on snowboards, and another 3 on skis. I am by no means a beginner. : 2: If I were old enough and the makers of my equipment had money, I would be sponsored. I was 26th in my age division in NASTAR (National Standardized Racing) until I broke my leg moving up to 16th. So me = Racing Upper Level : Sue their ass. Don't forget to name the store that sold you the items that convinced you that particular board was the best board for you to have. They will tell you anything to make a sale. : 1: Why sue? All that would do is setback the alpine division of snowboaring even more. Bad thing. : 2: My board was custom built for me by the same man that builds boards for the Austrian Giant Slalom team. He dosent use middle men at all. : 3: My board IS the best board for me. : 4: My boots ARE the best for me (5 olympic medals and pushing me up to the top of my age division seems reputable. : 5. My bindings: Same thing. 4 world cups and the boots of Mark Fawcett. : : I spent 30 years as a therapist and have seen the consequences of many sports injuries caused by their "marketing plan" to promote that their product must be 'better' because professionals use it. : Coiler Dosent advertise. He dosent need to. If you want the equipment, you know where to go. : You don't buy a 175 mph Corvette for a 16 year old as a reward for passing his drivers test.. Unless, you have a $7 million Medical Insurance policy cap that includes Nursing Home coverage AND a $10 million life insurance policy, and really hate the little marshmallow! : This wasnt a reward for anything, Im moving up in skill, and this board was the next step. My parents and relatives say "hey, its something he's good at, might as well support it". : My kids were lucky to get bicycles, roller blades, skateboards, paintball, or be allowed to play ANY organized sports. Mom was a therapist too. : But we spent LOTS of money on high quality safety gear and protection, LOTS of money on insurance, LOTS of education about what happens to the human body when things go wrong, Dragged them to work to SEE some busted up people that didn't wear seatbelts, and provided a LOT of supervision. : I wear a helmet, and actually, when I fell I micro-fractured the shell, so guess what, Im getting a new one. I dont just wear a bike helmet either. These are $150 60mph-0mph on ice tested. They pass. : Then we just let them be KIDS and crossed our fingers. So far so good. : My youngest was riding in a car that went airbourne for 40 feet when it stopped suddenly 6 foot above the ground against a 30 inch oak tree. It bounced off the tree and finnally came back to earth 15 feet away from the tree. They were both wearing seat belts and both airbags deployed properly. My boy walked away with stitches and whiplash. His buddy wasn't so lucky. Broke a wrist and an ankle that required some surgery, pins, and a lot of therapy. He didn't bother to fill out the forms to enroll in the Medical Insurance available at his job and had no medical insurance as a result. Medicaid is trying to convince his parents that they have to pay the bill even though he was 21 at the time. Finnally got it worked out but he wasn't getting the therapy WHEN he needed it. We did it for free until Medicaid kicked in. : Im sorry to hear about your son, but it seems that speed and/or alcohol or maybe drugs may have been involved. Not saying anything about your son, but possibly his friend. Thank god for seatbelts and airbags. Therapy is actually pretty fun! Im loving it. Cant wait to walk without the boot again. Im just learing to drive now, thats fun too. Cast off june 2. : Sorry you had to learn that lesson the hard way. : What lesson? It happens to everyone. Just a tiny mistake in tecnique will throw you off at race speed. What happened was I started thinking about what I was doing. Bad idea. : All us males have to get over the idea that we are invincible. : I used to have a diploma that I could print out from the College of Hard Knocks. Interested? : I've got two bum knees and rotator cuff problems in my right shoulder from driving over the top of a Buick on a motorcycle about 35 years ago. Fortunately, after 3 sommersaults in mid air, I landed on my hard head and shoulder. I had a helmet on with the chin strap buckled. Without the chin strap buckled I would have lost the helmet before I landed. I wouldn't be writing anything here if my skull looked like that helmet. : Ouch, that musta hurt. A spectator at the race said that I looked like a big snowball, then I started yelling. : Good luck and get well. : : Thanks. If your looking for something to help your knees, check out www.reliableracing.com and look for MacDavid (sp) Skiier's knee straps. Theyre tubular straps that you put around your patellar tendon, and put a bit of pressure on it, it feels really good. : Sorry, but after reading what you wrote, I was a little offended with y ou calling me a beginner and all, but you didnt know. Beginners arent the only ones that fall you know. They just complain when they get hurt more. They also get hurt more often, but us upper level racers dont fall alot, but when we do, we do a GOOD job. I wish I hd my x-rays from the reigonal hospital at the ski area to put up online. NASTY NASTY pictures. If my boots hadn;t been so racey and tight fitting It would have been a compound. Good luck with the knees. : The snowgod [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ WARPIG Tech Talk - Spyder ]