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Re: Tourney ball 101 (long)

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Posted by Pat "H-to-O" Clough on June 28, 2002 at 19:03:31:

In Reply to: Tourney ball 101 (long) posted by Burphel on June 27, 2002 at 21:16:59:

: First off, it should be said that I'm not a hardcore tournament player. Skyball and IAO with team PPIG is just my way of adding a little variety. I generally prefer woods play and big games/scenarios because of the larger strategy problems involved and being able to use stealth, maneuvering and dirty tricks.

After reading your description of tournament games, I'd have to agree. I'm definitely more comfortable with woods play.

: Standard tournament format is a variety of CTF on a small artificial course with a short time limit. Most tournaments have minimized woods play for various reasons in favor of the "speedball" format.

It must be easier to referee games in an small, open, artificial course, for one thing.

: Most high-end tournaments are using inflatable bunkers on a grass field anymore. Basically it takes out the elements of suprise and uneven ground and boils the game down to pure speed, accuracy and technique. A die hard tournament player would say that it gets rid of all the bullmarshmallow and just measures skill. To me, it brings paintball a step closer to WWI attrition-style trench warfare. It's a serious adrenaline rush to play this type of ball, just don't expect much variety.

Sounds like fun a couple of times, but could get repetitious after awhile.

: 7 and 10 man - 2 flag CTF, have to grab the opponent's flag and return it to your starting point. I don't know the points system, but like I said, the emphasis is on the grab and hang.

That sounds like it could be a little more interesting.

: Once in a while, you'll also see plain 1 on 1 straight elimination tournaments.

Duels? YEAH!!

: As for the roles, almost every format will have a player on each tape line that plays aggressively and tries to flank. The rest is up to the format and how your team strategy works, but there's some general positions after that. Middle players usually move down the center or off-center slightly. These guys usually act as organizers and to help fill in gaps that develop. They help communicate front to back and side to side, and make moves to shore up whatever side seems to be having trouble, or help break through. Back players lay down suppressive fire. Usually this means hosing a lot of paint downfield.

Now I can see why the guys with autocockers hang back when I play woods games. They can coat enough scenery to get most people trying to move into range, and have the power to pin others down for their closer teammates.

...That is, until they run out of paint.

: A lot of people think that pumpers work well from the back as a "sniper." In my personal experience, by the time you see somebody, react, and the ball travels to your target, your target's already tucked back in. The solution to this is what's evolved in tournaments, raining paint so if they do stick their head out, there's already a ball in the air. If you're playing mixed, leave back play to one of the guys with an Angel and a case of paint in their harness. If you're playing pump, your best person with autotrigger goes there.

True enough.

: Getting the flag off the break puts momentum in your favor and gets you a nice lump of points even if you lose. It also means that their entire team is gunning for that player because the flag station is usually a rather small bunker, and you're right up in their face. This means they're not paying as much attention to your teammates as they should :). Basically, it was a classic case of throwing the other team completely off balance so they get sloppy, then taking advantage of the easier shots. A big part of winning as much as we did was because we used a plan tailored to the field we were playing on instead of the generic speedball plan.

Good idea in general, I guess. Once somebody gets predictable, it's a heck of a lot easier to draw them out and catch them. I've noticed that even my friends, who do their best to run "irregular" patterns when on the move, tend to fall into the same sequence of moves anyway.

Thanks again for the info. Now it's time for me to start looking for some more friends to play with, and maybe even form a team.

Pat

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: : First off, it should be said that I'm not a hardcore tournament player. Skyball and IAO with team PPIG is just my way of adding a little variety. I generally prefer woods play and big games/scenarios because of the larger strategy problems involved and being able to use stealth, maneuvering and dirty tricks. : After reading your description of tournament games, I'd have to agree. I'm definitely more comfortable with woods play. : : Standard tournament format is a variety of CTF on a small artificial course with a short time limit. Most tournaments have minimized woods play for various reasons in favor of the "speedball" format. : It must be easier to referee games in an small, open, artificial course, for one thing. : : Most high-end tournaments are using inflatable bunkers on a grass field anymore. Basically it takes out the elements of suprise and uneven ground and boils the game down to pure speed, accuracy and technique. A die hard tournament player would say that it gets rid of all the bullmarshmallow and just measures skill. To me, it brings paintball a step closer to WWI attrition-style trench warfare. It's a serious adrenaline rush to play this type of ball, just don't expect much variety. : Sounds like fun a couple of times, but could get repetitious after awhile. : : 7 and 10 man - 2 flag CTF, have to grab the opponent's flag and return it to your starting point. I don't know the points system, but like I said, the emphasis is on the grab and hang. : That sounds like it could be a little more interesting. : : Once in a while, you'll also see plain 1 on 1 straight elimination tournaments. : Duels? YEAH!! : : As for the roles, almost every format will have a player on each tape line that plays aggressively and tries to flank. The rest is up to the format and how your team strategy works, but there's some general positions after that. Middle players usually move down the center or off-center slightly. These guys usually act as organizers and to help fill in gaps that develop. They help communicate front to back and side to side, and make moves to shore up whatever side seems to be having trouble, or help break through. Back players lay down suppressive fire. Usually this means hosing a lot of paint downfield. : Now I can see why the guys with autocockers hang back when I play woods games. They can coat enough scenery to get most people trying to move into range, and have the power to pin others down for their closer teammates. : ...That is, until they run out of paint. : : A lot of people think that pumpers work well from the back as a "sniper." In my personal experience, by the time you see somebody, react, and the ball travels to your target, your target's already tucked back in. The solution to this is what's evolved in tournaments, raining paint so if they do stick their head out, there's already a ball in the air. If you're playing mixed, leave back play to one of the guys with an Angel and a case of paint in their harness. If you're playing pump, your best person with autotrigger goes there. : True enough. : : Getting the flag off the break puts momentum in your favor and gets you a nice lump of points even if you lose. It also means that their entire team is gunning for that player because the flag station is usually a rather small bunker, and you're right up in their face. This means they're not paying as much attention to your teammates as they should :). Basically, it was a classic case of throwing the other team completely off balance so they get sloppy, then taking advantage of the easier shots. A big part of winning as much as we did was because we used a plan tailored to the field we were playing on instead of the generic speedball plan. : Good idea in general, I guess. Once somebody gets predictable, it's a heck of a lot easier to draw them out and catch them. I've noticed that even my friends, who do their best to run "irregular" patterns when on the move, tend to fall into the same sequence of moves anyway. : Thanks again for the info. Now it's time for me to start looking for some more friends to play with, and maybe even form a team. : Pat

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