Posted by: Dale "Head_Hunters" DuPont on January 22, 2003 at 08:55:18

It is cheaper to buy one already made at the factory. Plenty of stores would be happy to custom build one for you. Which one? You'll get as many opinions as people you talk to because they just spent $700 to $1500 on their Autococker and need to believe they have the best thing since sliced bread. You want a project? Sure. Why start with a stock marker? You can buy a very nice milled and custom anodized body for $300 and then start buying parts and build one. Why upgrade one to the point you have two cockers. One in a box called 'spare parts'? You really haven't told us what performance goals you hope to achieve with the upgrades? What do you plan to do with it? I would tell you how to make a sniper cocker which would be very different than a tournament cocker. A rec ball cocker would be different again. No ideal set up fits all applications. Tournament play only? Tournament and rec play? Rec play and Scenerios? Each 'ideal' setup would be different. Other goals: ROF? Quiet operation? Accuracy? The "I've got more money than you." look? Shot Efficiency? You are used to an electronic trigger and switching to a mechanical trigger? That will be quite a transition. Are you planning an electronic grip? Since all the advise you've gotten so far didn't ask these questions, their advise may or may not apply to you situation. The Ultimate base cocker I would run out to buy would be a custom built Sandridge Autococker. For ONE reason. It has a ball drop sensor in the chamber. No other cocker or aftermarket upgrade has it. Short strokes, chops, misfeeds are the curse of the autococker. Upgrades can minimize them but NEVER eliminate them. The ball drop sensor DOES eliminate them... You can be running with 4 balls bouncing in you hopper and fire at the same time and not worry about a ball misfeed. It won't fire until the ball has dropped fully into the chamber. It is also an electronic trigger and I believe they now come with switchable fire modes. It has an electronic 3 way. That is also available as an Upgrade for about $750 last time I looked. Now the stock autococker and you E 99 already shoots more accurately and faster than you do. The point is: Technology will NOT make you a better player. The best you can hope for is an edge over the other guy with the same experience level. The marketing people tend to make players to think otherwise. So give it some thought and tell us what you want to do with it.

Follow Ups: Re: Then why upgrade a stock marker? Proboy24 10:39:35 04/19/03 (0) Post a Followup Show your name as: DefaultRealnameBothNickname E-Mail address (eg: joeschmoe@aol.com): Show your e-mail address? DefaultYesNo Your Password: Don't have a password? CLICK HERE - Forgot your password? CLICK HERE Subject: Subject:Message: : It is cheaper to buy one already made at the factory. : Plenty of stores would be happy to custom build one for you. : Which one? You'll get as many opinions as people you talk to because they just spent $700 to $1500 on their Autococker and need to believe they have the best thing since sliced bread. : You want a project? Sure. Why start with a stock marker? You can buy a very nice milled and custom anodized body for $300 and then start buying parts and build one. : Why upgrade one to the point you have two cockers. One in a box called 'spare parts'? : You really haven't told us what performance goals you hope to achieve with the upgrades? What do you plan to do with it? : I would tell you how to make a sniper cocker which would be very different than a tournament cocker. A rec ball cocker would be different again. No ideal set up fits all applications. : Tournament play only? : Tournament and rec play? : Rec play and Scenerios? : Each 'ideal' setup would be different. : Other goals: : ROF? : Quiet operation? : Accuracy? : The "I've got more money than you." look? : Shot Efficiency? : You are used to an electronic trigger and switching to a mechanical trigger? That will be quite a transition. Are you planning an electronic grip? : Since all the advise you've gotten so far didn't ask these questions, their advise may or may not apply to you situation. : The Ultimate base cocker I would run out to buy would be a custom built Sandridge Autococker. For ONE reason. It has a ball drop sensor in the chamber. No other cocker or aftermarket upgrade has it. : Short strokes, chops, misfeeds are the curse of the autococker. Upgrades can minimize them but NEVER eliminate them. The ball drop sensor DOES eliminate them... You can be running with 4 balls bouncing in you hopper and fire at the same time and not worry about a ball misfeed. It won't fire until the ball has dropped fully into the chamber. : It is also an electronic trigger and I believe they now come with switchable fire modes. It has an electronic 3 way. That is also available as an Upgrade for about $750 last time I looked. : Now the stock autococker and you E 99 already shoots more accurately and faster than you do. : The point is: Technology will NOT make you a better player. The best you can hope for is an edge over the other guy with the same experience level. : The marketing people tend to make players to think otherwise. : So give it some thought and tell us what you want to do with it. : [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ WARPIG Tech Talk - Autococker / Minicocker ]