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Re: whoa there!

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Posted by MYXZ on August 10, 2002 at 22:57:10:

In Reply to: Re: whoa there! posted by John on July 02, 2002 at 10:06:24:

: : I try not to harp on all these, but as an engineering physics major in college, I HAVE to put thees down.

: : Let's leave out accuracy now, as that can be debated, not well, but it can be.

: : Range....

: : A ball travels based on the forces that act upon it. WHATEVER happens in the barrel of the gun... open/closed, pump/semi, mech/electro, american/english/canadian/australian... only matters in the barrel.

: : Whatever happens there determines the speed at which the ball leaves the barrel. Once the ball leaves the barrel the gun has NO effect on it. It cannot magically reach out there and touch it and effect it.

: : So... if you are chronoing your gun at a point past the barrel (which all chronoes do). You get a speed rating of the ball's flight after it left the barrel.

: : So, you have a ball that has no clue what gun it was shot from, flying through the air at say 290fps. ALL balls of equal weight, flying at 290fps, traveling at the same angle (not angel) will go the same distance.

: : Spin MAY be able to increase range at very high spin rates, at a sacrifice of accuracy most likely, but no gun out there can demonstrate those kind of spin rates, and none of the high end guns out there even try.

: : So... debate accuracy as you will until someone posts a TRULY scientific gun to gun test.

: : Range? There are websites where people went out to test it, and guess what they found? Physics works. All guns had the same range +/- 2% (BTW - in the best test I saw the shocker had the shortest range of all, it was just a numeric fluctuation... range is determined by fps and angle)

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: : Doug
: : TIP #0011 (it'll never die)

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: : : I have to disagre! i just completly put my dark angel on the shelf to get dust. i doubt ill ever use it again. and this is becouse i bought a Excalibur. i know darn well it shoots father and more acurite than my angel. it may not be as fast. but if i where you i would not get a angel but a excal


The belieif that there is no difference between an open bolt gun and a closed bolt gun is a fluke, the method of testing that was done negated the shooting characteristics for each system thus, not a true fact. When the guns were tested as published on the web, the tester immobilized the barrel on a vise thus negating any factor that may affect the gun's behavior during real world applications. The method used as it it described seems to only test barrel accuracy. If the same barrel was used for each system and the support given was on the gun's center of gravity, the resulting shot group made by an open bolt system and a closed bolt system will be different from each significantly. Which means, in real world application, the shot group made by an open bolt gun will significantly be bigger than by an open bolt gun. The presented lab results does not apply in real world situations pertaining to open bolt and closed bolt designs. In the areas of real firearms, inherently the most accurate guns in the world are of the closed bolt variety. Also the word accuracy if taken by context, really does not apply to paintball markers... Ithink precision is more appropriate.



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